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SMG
"Round Up" |
Below I have
made some remarks about different SMGs available to shooters
in the Title II market place. I have personally fired
every one of the below and MY OPINIONS are based upon
the experience of my friends & myself with each one
of these weapons. The
guide below is designed to assist someone that is looking
at different SMGs, so descriptions are more of an overview
than a complete run-down. |
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Featured
SMGs |
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SWD
M11-A1 |
Based
on the “original” M-11 in .380 ACP, it has
a stunning 1,600 RPM in a package no larger then a Colt
M1911 pistol.
In stock configuration
this gun can be dangerous to those with out experience
shooting SMGs. The fact that you have to hold onto a
front strap that can swing around and a factory stock
that can collapse on you while shooting means you have
to be really careful or else it could “run away”
from you.
The M11-A1 can be pricey
for a "MAC" because not too many of these were
produced compared to other "MAC" types. There
are a number of accessories out there for this gun including
stocks, grips, slow-fire/competition 9mm uppers, and "operational briefcases".
The gun is especially well-suited to use with a suppressor since
the .380 round is inherently subsonic.
Overall this gun is a
very impressive bullet hose, but can be dangerous to shoot
if you do not know what you are doing. |
PROS |
Small Size that Packs a Lot
of Firepower
1,600 RPM puts lots of rounds into target
Good Reliability (with good magazine)
Price (“relatively” inexpensive for a title
II weapon)
Customizable (accessories from LAGE MFG and others can correct some shortcomings) |
CONS |
Crappy
ergonomics
Useless sights
Worthless stock (that will some times collapse while shooting!)
Horrible trigger.
1,600 RPM combined with lightweight makes controllability
a problem
Crude craftsmanship (some parts wear prematurely)
Price (expensive for a MAC type firearm) |
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Price
Range: |
$3,500-$4,500 |
Caliber: |
.380 ACP |
ROF: |
1,600
RPM |
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A
M11-A1 found on a image site, if it is yours please
email me so I can give you credit. |
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SWD
M-11/9 |
The
M-11/9 in 9mm parabellum has a stunning 1,200 to 1,400
RPM in a package only slightly larger then a Colt M1911
pistol.
In stock configuration this gun can be dangerous to
those with out experience shooting SMGs. The fact that
you have to hold onto a front strap that can swing around
and a factory stock that can collapse on you while shooting
means you have to be really be careful or else it could
“run away” from you.
The M-11/9 is the most
popular of the M-11s and while it used to be the least expensive of the
fully-automatic MAC series, it has become more highly regarded in recent years due to
accessories from Lage Manufacturing and others which has driven up demand
and price. You can still find old "New In Box (NIB)" guns for sale and those
typically command the higher end of the price range.
The M-11/9 has more accessories
than probably any other gun out there except for maybe
the M-16. The accessories range from grips to complete
uppers that change the M-11/9s “personality”
entirely making this gun great for those on a budget.
Overall this gun is a
very impressive bullet hose with unlimited customizability.
In stock configuration it can be scary to shoot if you
do not know what you are doing.
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PROS |
Small
Size that Packs a Lot of Firepower
1,200-1,400 RPM puts lots of rounds into target
Good Reliability (with good magazine)
Price (“relatively” inexpensive for a title
II weapon)
Customizable (tons of accesories that can correct shortcomings
& allow you to change the "nature" of the
gun) |
CONS |
Crappy
ergonomics
Useless sights
Worthless stock (that will some times collapse while shooting!)
Horrible trigger.
1,200-1,400 RPM combined with lightweight makes controllability
a problem
Crude craftsmanship (some parts wear prematurely) |
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Price
Range: |
$4,500-$6,500 |
Caliber: |
9MM LUGER |
ROF: |
1,200-1,400
RPM |
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A
SWD M-11/9. Picture courtesy of Steve H. aka "thegundude"
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RPB
M-10 |
The
M-10 is what the M-11 is based on. The M-10 has a stunning
1,100 RPM combined with the .45 ACP in a package only
about 1 ½ times larger then a M1911 pistol makes
for an impresive amount of fire power in a small package.
The M-10 is also available in a 9mm version. The .45 ACP
version can be converted to shoot 9mm by changing the upper
and putting in a magwell insert, however a factory 9mm M-10
can not be converted to shoot .45 .
In stock configuration this gun can be dangerous to
those with out experience shooting SMGs. The fact that
you have to hold onto a front strap that can swing around
and a factory stock that can collapse on you while shooting
means you have to be really be careful or else it could
“run away” from you.
The M-10 is much larger
than the M-11 series because it is chambered in the
powerful .45 ACP cartridge. Depending on the type of
M-10 (some early models are more collectable) they can
range from inexpensive to expensive for a "MAC".
Surprisingly the M-10
is of better quality and feels more “refined”
than the M-11.
The M-10 has a good number
of accessories that can correct some of its shortcomings
but they are primarily grips & stocks.
Overall this gun is a
very impressive bullet hose with some customizability.
In stock configuration it can be dangerous to shoot if you
do not know what you are doing.
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PROS |
Small Size that Packs a Lot
of Firepower
Chambered in .45 ACP or 9mm
1,100 RPM puts lots of rounds into target
Good Reliability (with good magazine)
Price (“relatively” inexpensive for a title
II weapon)
Customizable (some accesories that can correct shortcomings)
Has the Best Quality of all the MACs |
CONS |
Crappy ergonomics
Useless sights
Worthless stock (that will some times collapse while shooting!)
Horrible trigger.
1,100 RPM combined with light weight firearm shooting .45 ACP round
makes controllability a problem
Crude craftsmanship (some parts wear prematurely) |
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Price
Range: |
$4,000-$5,500 |
Caliber: |
.45 ACP or 9mm |
ROF: |
1,000-1,200
RPM |
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A
RPB M10 found on a image site, if it is yours please
email me so I can give you credit. |
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Sten
MKIII |
The
Sten MKIII chambered in 9mm parabellum is the third
development of the British Sten series. Developed by
the British in WWII, the Sten was designed to be mass
producible using the bare minimum of materials but remain
functional. The Sten MKIII is considered to be one of
the most ugly SMGs in the world. Looks can be deceiving;
the Sten MKIII is a really nice controllable shooter
with decent ergonomics.
The Sten has a unique
configuration in that it accepts magazines horizontally
instead of vertically. The British chose this configuration
so the shooter could lay down prone with the weapon
and the magazine would not interfere with the ground.
A drawback to this configuration is that as the magazine
empties, the point of balance shifts throwing off the
shooters aim.
Unfortunately the Sten
series have almost no accessories(with historical guns
this is usually not an issue), basic sights, and is
of crude construction in comparison to other SMGs.
Overall the Sten is a
great shooter with plenty of history behind it.
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PROS |
450
RPM makes for a very controllable firearm during Full-Auto
firing
Good Accuracy
Reliable (with good magazine)
Lots of Spare Parts for a WWII gun
Plenty of history
Price (inexpensive for a title II weapon)
Can be fired in the prone position because of horizontal
magazine |
CONS |
Crude
Construction
Strange Configuration (magazine installed horizontally)
Crude Sights
Uncomfortable stock
Poor Ergonomics
No Customizability (with historical guns this
is usually not an issue) |
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Price
Range: |
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Caliber: |
9MM LUGER |
ROF: |
450 RPM
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A
STEN MKIII picture found all over the net, if it
is yours please email me so I can give you credit. |
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Sten
MKV |
The
Sten MKV chambered in 9mm parabellum is the fifth development
of the Sten series. Developed by the British in WWII
the Sten was designed to be mass producible using the
bare minimum of materials but remain functional. Unlike
the Sten MKIII, which is considered to be one of the
most ugly SMGs in the world, the British made an attempt
to improve upon the looks and ergonomics of the Sten
series with the Sten MKV. The British added a wooden
butt stock, pistol grip and made several other improvements
such as a more useful front sight.
The Sten has a unique
configuration in that it accepts magazines horizontally
instead of vertically. The British chose this configuration
so they shooter could lay down prone with the weapon
and the magazine would not interfere with the ground.
A drawback to this configuration is that as the magazine
empties the point of balance shifts throwing off the
shooters aim.
Unfortunately the Sten
series have almost no accessories(with historical guns
this is usually not an issue), basic sites, and is of
crude construction in comparison to other SMGs.
Overall the Sten is a
great shooter with plenty of history behind it and is
a great entry Title II SMG. |
PROS |
450 RPM makes for a very controllable
firearm during Full-Auto firing
Good Accuracy
Reliable (with good magazine)
Plenty of history
Price (inexpensive for a title II weapon)
Can be fired in the prone position because of horizontal
magazine |
CONS |
Crude Construction
Strange Configuration (magazine installed horizontally)
Crude Sites
Poor Ergonomics
No Customizability (with
historical guns this is usually not an issue) |
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Price
Range: |
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Caliber: |
9MM LUGER |
ROF: |
450 RPM
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A
STEN MKV picture found at an image site, if it is
yours please email me so I can give you credit. |
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MP-40 |
The
MP-40 chambered in 9mm parabellum was developed &
used by the Germans in WWII. The design was revolutionary
at the time because it was designed from the get go
as a gun that was geared towards mass production by
using stampings allowing significant numbers to reach
the hands of troops before many other countries even
considered SMGs as a practical weapon on the battle
field. Unlike other “tube guns”, the MP-40's
quality & refinement "feels" a step above
other “tube” SMGs developed during WW2.
This is probably a testament to German engineering at
the time.
The MP-40’s most
enduring feature is the fact that its 550 RPM is a perfect
balance between speed and controllability allowing the
shooter to easily put rounds on target during Full-Auto
fire.
Unfortunately MP-40s
in the Title II world are expensive, spare parts can
be hard to come by, and there are no accessories (with
historical guns this is usually not an issue).
Overall the MP-40 is
an excellent representation of a fine SMG from WW2 but
can be a bit pricey.
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PROS |
550
RPM makes for a very controllable firearm during Full-Auto
firing
Good Accuracy
Reliable (with good magazine)
Decent Sights
Plenty of history
Quality is a step above other “tube” SMGs
of the time |
CONS |
No
Customizability (with historical guns this is
usually not an issue)
Expensive
Spare Parts Hard to Find |
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Price
Range: |
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Caliber: |
9MM LUGER |
ROF: |
550 RPM
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A
MP40 picture found on a public domain image site. |
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M3
"Grease Gun" |
The
M3 Grease Gun chambered in .45 ACP was designed and
used by the United States during WW2. This was the United
State’s answer to the MP-40 and Sten. During the
first part of WW2 the United States was using the Thompson
which was expensive and slow to produce. The M3A1 took
the concept of a mass producable SMG to an entirely
deferent level.
The M3A1 was so utilitarian
a charging handle wasn’t even included on the
bolt. The shooter would stick his/her finger into a
recesses on the bolt to cock the weapon. Almost every
part was constructed from steel stampings. Some parts
of the gun were even used as tools to take the gun apart.
The M3’s strong
point is its controllable 300-400 RPM & the fact
it is chambered in .45 ACP. This is also its shortcoming
due to the fact that a very heavy bolt is what achieves
this low rate of fire. As the bolt cycles it jars the
gun around throwing off the shooters aim.
One of the roadblocks
of the M3 & M3A1 in the Title II world is price.
They are VERY expensive. Some models even command more
then a Thompson.
Overall the M3A1 is a
middle of road SMG. It is not the crudest or the most
accurate, but it is reliable and has plenty of stopping
power with .45 ACP cartridge. Like most equipment produced
by the United States during WWII, it is a marvel of
mass production. |
PROS |
300-400 RPM with .45 ACP round
makes for a very controllable firearm during Full-Auto
firing with plenty of stopping power.
Reliable
Plenty of history
Unique utilitarian features |
CONS |
Heavy Bolt jars gun around during Full-Auto firing
Strange Configuration (no cocking handle)
Crude Sites
Poor Ergonomics
No Customizability (with
historical guns this is usually not an issue)
VERY Expensive |
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Price
Range: |
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Caliber: |
.45 ACP |
ROF: |
300-400
RPM |
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A
M3 picture found on a public domain image site. |
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Reising |
The
Reising chambered in .45 ACP was developed in the Untied
States as a possible replacement or a short term to
“coexistent” (would be used along with Thompson
to “fill in the ranks” when there wasn’t
enough Thompson’s to go around) SMG for the expensive
Thompson during WW2. The Reising was superior to the
Thompson’s in terms of accuracy, weight, and ease
of use. Unfortunately its operating principle was “overly
complex” for a SMG designed to be used by the
military and the on hand stock of Reising ordered by
the military were regulated to “rear line”
duties.
The Reising's biggest
shortcoming was reliability. If any type of foreign
matter got into its complex operating mechanism it would
lock up requiring a complete disassembly. This ultimately
doomed the Reising, and it only saw limited use in combat.
Luckily for most of us the only “combat”
the Reising will see with us is a trip to range.
Overall the Reising is
a excellent SMG that was overshadowed by other SMGs
during WWII. This is good news for us because they are
relatively still inexpensive for a Title II weapon and
are a one of the “best buys”. |
PROS |
45 ACP
round provides plenty of stopping power
Easy to Use
Good Sights
Good Accuracy
Price (overshadowed by other SMGs, inexpensive for a title
II weapon) |
CONS |
No
Customizability (with historical guns this is usually
not an issue)
Unique operating mechanism is overly complex
Spotty Reliability
Gun Climbs more then it should for a SMG with a 550 RPM
Parts can be hard to find |
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Price
Range: |
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Caliber: |
.45 ACP |
ROF: |
550 RPM
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A
Reising picture found on a image
site, if it is yours email me so I can give you
credit |
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Thompson |
The
Thompson chambered in .45 ACP is probably one of the
most recognizable SMGs in the world. Produced by the
United States, the Thompson made its debut in the early
1920s but the company that produced them, Auto Ordnance,
had trouble-finding buyers and eventually was bought
out. At the time the United States was not involved
in any major conflicts and the expensive Thompson was
seen as a “overkill” and the US ARMY even
stated that "it has no place on the modern battlefield”.
The majority of the early Thompsons sat in warehouses
until being purchased by the Army at the outbreak of
WWII.
The 1920s era Thompson’s
used a unique “Blish” locking system that
delayed the blowback of the weapon until all pressure
was released from inside the chamber. Because of the
need to massproduce Thompson’s during WWII the
finned barrel, front pistol grip, & "Blish"
system (replaced with a regular blowback based operating
system) were done away with to ease production.
The Thompson has seen
its fair share of combat in WW2, Korea, and in limited
use in Vietnam. Because of the amount of history behind
the Thompson combined with the “coolness”
factor, Thompsons are VERY expensive.
The Thompson is actually
only a decent SMG (don't hate me). The reason the Thompson
is so famous is because it was used during several conflicts,
and the fact it was featured in plenty of Hollywood
movies idolizing it as the gangsters gun of choice in
the 1920s. This has gained the Thompson a legendary
reputation.
The Thompson is very
heavy for a gun of its size, very expensive (in the
Title II world), and its 700-1000 RPM combined with
.45 ACP makes it hard to control in some instances.
The Thompson’s
best feature is its pure stopping power. A .45 ACP SMG
combined with a large feeding device (such as a 100
round drum) and a 700-1000 RPM is a lot of stoping power
in the hands of one shooter.
Overall the Thompson
is a instantly recognizable decent shooting SMG with
plenty of firepower that is a little too heavy, and
expensive (in the Title II world). |
PROS |
700-1,000 RPM with .45 Colt
round provides plenty of stopping power
Oozes with History
Reliable
Good craftsmanship |
CONS |
Heavy for a gun of its size
Little Customizability (other then dress up kits to make
it look like other versions on the Thompson)
700-1,000 RPM with .45 Colt can make controllability a
problem
VERY Expensive |
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Price
Range: |
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Caliber: |
.45 ACP |
ROF: |
700-1,000
RPM |
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A
Thompson picture found on public
domain image site. |
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UZI |
The
standard size UZI chambered in 9mm parabellum was developed
by Israel in the 1950s and is one of the worlds best
SMG. It is literally the benchmark for which other SMGs
are compared to and like the Thompson, it is instantly
recognizable. The standard size UZI has good ergonomics,
good sights, a controllable 600 RPM, and a decent number
of accessories allowing the owner to “tune”
their gun. Another plus is that lots of UZIs were produced
making them only a moderate price Title II gun.
The bad thing about the
standard size UZI is that they are a little heavy for
a gun of that size and have a heavy bolt (this keeps
the RPM down) that can jar the shooter around throwing
off the shooters aim.
Overall the standard
size UZI is perhaps the best SMG out there that provides
the perfect balance in all areas that concern the "operating
envelope" of SMGs. |
PROS |
600
RPM makes for a very controllable firearm during Full-Auto
fire
Reliable
Good Sights
Good Ergonomics
Plenty of history
Some Customizability
Only a moderately priced Title II weapon |
CONS |
Heavy Bolt jars gun around
during Full-Auto firing
Weighs more then SMGs of same size
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Price
Range: |
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Caliber: |
9MM LUGER |
ROF: |
600 RPM
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A
UZI picture found on public domain
image site. |
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MP5 |
The MP-5 chambered in 9mm
parabellum developed in Germany during the 1960s is
one of the worlds most refined SMGs ever developed.
The ergonomics and craftsmanship of the MP-5 are practically
unrivaled in the SMG world. The sights on the MP-5 are
excellent and there are plenty of accessories to extend
its capabilities. The small size of the MP-5 makes it
a favorite for room clearing operations by both the
military and law enforcement. Since the MP-5 is a closed
bolt SMGs its accuracy is much better then other open
bolt SMGs.
Unfortunately the fact it is closed bolt introduces
a dangerous condition known as a “cook off”.
Full-Auto fire generates a lot of heat, so much that
some times a round in chamber will heat up and fire.
With open bolt guns this is not a issue because the
rounds are not placed into the chamber until they are
fired.
Since the MP-5 is a popular weapon and is one
of the best SMGs in the world they are VERY expensive
in the Title II world. Also the quality of the MP-5
comes at a cost in terms of reliability because the
tolerances are so close.
Overall the MP-5 is one of the most pleasant
SMGs to shoot. With excellent ergonomics, sights, craftsmanship,
and accuracy it is the ultimate SMG. Unfortunately because
of this they are VERY expensive Title II guns. |
PROS |
Excellent Sights
Excellent Ergonomics
Excellent Craftsmanship
Very Accurate
Some Customizability |
CONS |
Closed Bolt operation can
lead to cook offs
Close tolerances can hurt reliability
VERY expensive for a Title II weapon |
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Price
Range: |
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Caliber: |
9MM LUGER |
ROF: |
800 RPM
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A
MP5 picture found on public domain
image site. |
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