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M-11
Catalog |
I have listed below a number
of different M-11 models. I have attempted to make the
information as accurate as possible but this can be
hard to do since there is so much misinformation out
there. I am sure I missed a model or two since so many
were made. If you have information on a model I missed
please let me know.
We tend to generically refer to these guns as "MACs", but tecnically the term "MAC" only refers to guns manufactured by Miliary Armament Company. The true model designations tell us a lot more about particular guns and their caliber:
M10 is chambered in either 9mm or .45acp
M10A1A can be either 9mm or .45acp
M11 is always .380acp.
M11A1 is a late production RPB gun and all SWD .380acp guns.
M11/NINE is only 9mm and only SWD produced these. Sometimes shortened to M-11/9.
NOTE: Some pictures of models have been generated
by a computer so a axis pin hole might be in the wrong
spot and are a result of the limited sample of M-11s
I had to work with.
UPDATE NOTE: The prices shown below are out-of-date. As of early 2016, the MAC-10 submachineguns are going for around $4500-$5500. The M11/9 model value has jumped substantially, at least in part due to the availability of LAGE uppers, .22LR kits, and the CF-W slowfire bolt. The M11/9 guns are no longer the least expensive of the full-auto models, and are now selling in the $7000-$7500 price range... and I thought I was paying a lot when I bought my M11/9 and M11A1 for just under $3000 each! --Concorde |
Featured
M-11s
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Military
Armament Corporation M-11 |
The M.A.C.
Model 11 was the first M-11 series gun produced and
is quite the collector item today. Chambered in .380
ACP, the M.A.C. M-11 uses steel magazines in either
16 or 32 round capacity. Like most M-11s it has a collapsible
stock that extends from the butt of the weapon, a selector
switch to fire either in semi or full-auto, uses the
open bolt method of operation & the end of the barrel
is threaded to accept a silencer or other barrel accessory.
Compared to other M-11s, the original M.A.C. guns are
generally of a higher quality.
A unique fact about the M.A.C. M-11 is the
fact that the receiver says 9MM AUTO K which confused
many shooters who tried to use 9MM LUGER & not 9MM
AUTO K (.380 ACP).
Since not to many of these were produced because
M.A.C had trouble getting them to “take off”
there are not to many original M.A.C. M-11s out there.
Because of this they can command higher prices because
they are “collectables”. |
Receiver
Markings |
Other
Identification Marks |
INGRAM
M11 CAL 9MM AUTO K
MILITARY ARMAMENT CORP.
POWDER SPRINGS, GA. U.S.A.
or
INGRAM M11 CAL 9MM AUTO K
MILITARY ARMAMENT CORP.
MARIETTA, GA. U.S.A.
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Cobray
logo towards rear of receiver |
PROS |
Small Size that
Packs a Lot of Firepower
1,600 RPM puts lots of rounds into target
Good Reliability (with good magazine) |
CONS |
Crappy
ergonomics
Useless sights
Worthless stock (that will sometimes collapse while shooting!)
Horrible trigger
1,600 RPM combined with light weight makes controllability
a problem
Crude Craftsman ship
Price (expensive for a MAC type firearm) |
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Price
Range: |
$3,500-$4,500 |
Caliber: |
.380 ACP |
ROF: |
1,600
RPM |
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RPB
“Overstamp” Military Armament Corporation
M-11 |
When
M.A.C. went “belly up” in the mid 1970s
they auctioned off their remaining stock of tooling
& parts. The company RPB (R. Roby, C. Pitts, &
R.W. Brueggemann) Industries Incorporated purchased
the majority of what was left of M.A.C. including a
number of finished frames. These frames had already
been stamped by M.A.C. with their information, so instead
of just throwing them out RPB just stamped their mark
on the opposite side of the receiver. These are some
times called “overstamp” guns even though
the RPB stamp wasn’t stamped over any thing.
Since these “transitional”
M-11s are primary assembled on frames and parts produced
by M.A.C. they are basically the same gun.
The RPB “overstamp”
M-11 is chambered in .380 ACP & uses steel magazines
in either 16 or 32 round capacity. Like most M-11s it
has a collapsible stock that extends from the butt of
the weapon, a selector switch to fire either in semi
or full-auto, uses the open bolt method of operation
& the end of the barrel is threaded to accept a
silencer or other barrel accessory. Compared to other
M-11s the “overstamp” guns are generally
of a higher quality.
The RPB “overstamp”
M-11 is unique because it is a “transitional”
gun and may cost more then other M-11s because of its
collector value.
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Receiver
Markings |
Other
Identification Marks |
On right
side of receiver:
INGRAM M11 CAL 9MM AUTO K
MILITARY ARMAMENT CORP.
POWDER SPRINGS, GA. U.S.A.
or
INGRAM M11 CAL 9MM AUTO K
MILITARY ARMAMENT CORP.
MARIETTA, GA. U.S.A.
On left side of receiver:
RPB INDUSTRIES. INC.
ATLANTA, GA. U.S.A.
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Cobray
logo towards rear of receiver |
PROS |
Small Size that
Packs a Lot of Firepower
1,600 RPM puts lots of rounds into target
Good Reliability (with good magazine) |
CONS |
Crappy
ergonomics
Useless sights
Worthless stock (that will sometimes collapse while shooting!)
Horrible trigger
1,600 RPM combined with light weight makes controllability
a problem
Crude Craftsman ship
Price (expensive for a MAC type firearm) |
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Price
Range: |
$3,300-$4,500 |
Caliber: |
.380 ACP |
ROF: |
1,600
RPM |
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RPB
M11-A1 |
The RPB M11-A1
is the first M-11 produced by RPB that did not use frames
left over from M.A.C. so they do not have any markings
in relation to M.A.C.
The RPB M-11A1 is chambered in .380 ACP &
uses steel magazines in either 16 or 32 round capacities.
Like most M-11s it has a collapsible stock that extends
from the butt of the weapon, a selector switch to fire
either in semi or full-auto, uses the open bolt method
of operation & the end of the barrel is threaded
to accept a silencer or other barrel accessory. Compared
to other M-11s the RPB guns are generally of a higher
quality.
The RPB M11-A1 may cost more then other M-11s
because of its collector value.
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Receiver
Markings |
Other
Identification Marks |
On right side of receiver:
M11-A1 CAL. 380
RPB INDUSTRIES. INC.
ATLANTA, GA. U.S.A.
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Cobray
logo towards rear of receiver |
PROS |
Small Size that
Packs a Lot of Firepower
1,600 RPM puts lots of rounds into target
Good Reliability (with good magazine) |
CONS |
Crappy
ergonomics
Useless sights
Worthless stock (that will sometimes collapse while shooting!)
Horrible trigger
1,600 RPM combined with light weight makes controllability
a problem
Crude Craftsman ship
Price (expensive for a MAC type firearm) |
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Price
Range: |
$3,300-$4,500 |
Caliber: |
.380 ACP |
ROF: |
1,600
RPM |
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RPB
SM11-A1 |
Because
of lagging sales, RPB was on the verge of going under
from finical problems. In the late 1970s Wayne Daniel
purchased a large majority of the companies stock and
started to produce semi-auto versions of the M11-A1.
By removing the collapsible stock and the ability to
fire Full-Auto, the open bolt SM11-A1 became a Title
1 pistol and could be purchased by anyone.
These new semi versions
of the M11 sold like hot cakes until the BATF intervened
in 1982 because they felt these open bolt semi-auto
copies could be converted to Full-Auto to easily. Because
of this all open-bolt pistol produced after 1982 are
considered Machine Guns and this is why we don’t
see semi-auto open bolt guns any more.
Luckily for owners of
these semi-auto pistols all guns not modified on or
produced before the ruling were grand fathered and not
considered machine guns.
Unfortunately this ruling
by the BATF hurt RPB financially and brought unwanted
legal attention so Wayne Daniel dissolved the company
in April 1982.
The RPB SM11-A1 is chambered
in .380 ACP & uses steel magazines in either 16
or 32 round capacities. Unlike most M-11s it has no
collapsible stock that extends from the butt of the
weapon and only fires in semi-auto. It does use the
open bolt method of operation & the end of the barrel
is threaded to accept a silencer or other barrel accessory.
Compared to other M-11s the RPB guns are generally of
a higher quality.
The RPB SM11-A1s is rare
because they are the last of the legal open-bolt semi-auto
pistols. Because of this they command a good deal for
a Title 1 pistol on the open market because MAC collectors
are always on the look out for them.
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Receiver
Markings |
Other
Identification Marks |
On right side of receiver:
M11-A1 CAL. 380
RPB INDUSTRIES. INC.
ATLANTA, GA. U.S.A.
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Cobray logo towards rear of receiver.
Serial Number starts with SAP (semi auto pistol).
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PROS |
Small Size that
Packs a Lot of Firepower
Good Reliability (with good magazine) |
CONS |
Crappy
ergonomics
Useless sights
Horrible trigger
Large and heavy for a semi-auto pistol
Crude Craftsman ship
Price (expensive for a semi-auto MAC type firearm) |
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Price
Range: |
$900-$1,200 |
Caliber: |
.380 ACP |
ROF: |
N/A |
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SWD
M11-A1 |
When
Wayne Daniel dissolved RPB in 1982 he started to produce
several M-11 varieties under SWD (Sylvia Williams Daniel,
his wifes name, NOT Sylvia and Wayne Daniel) Incorporated
a year later. The first of these was a slightly redesigned
version of the original M-11 that accepted a new lightweight
polymer magazine made from Zytel. Unfortunately Zytel
magazines didn’t turn out to be a great idea because
these polymer magazines would wear down over time and
split. The majority of reliability problems reported
were because of the Zytel magazine and not the gun itself.
The SWD M11-A1 is chambered
in .380 ACP & uses Zytel magazines in several capacities
(usually 32 round). Like most M-11s it has a collapsible
stock that extends from the butt of the weapon, a selector
switch to fire either in semi or full-auto, uses the
open bolt method of operation & the end of the barrel
is threaded to accept a silencer or other barrel accessory.
The grip on the SWD M11-A1 is a little larger then the
other M-11s because of the larger Zytel magazine. Compared
to other M-11s the SWD guns are “middle of the
road” in terms of quality compared to other versions.
The SWD M11-A1 may cost
more then other M-11s because of its collector value.
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Receiver
Markings |
Other
Identification Marks |
On right side of receiver:
M11-A1. CAL. 380
SWD INCORPORATED
ATLANTA, GA. U.S.A.
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Cobray logo towards rear of receiver.
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PROS |
Small Size that
Packs a Lot of Firepower
1,600 RPM puts lots of rounds into target
Good Reliability (with good magazine) |
CONS |
Crappy
ergonomics
Useless sights
Worthless stock (that will sometimes collapse while shooting!)
Horrible trigger
1,600 RPM combined with light weight makes controllability
a problem
Crude Craftsman ship
Price (expensive for a MAC type firearm) |
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Price
Range: |
$3,300-$4,500 |
Caliber: |
.380 ACP |
ROF: |
1,600
RPM |
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SWD
M-11/NINE |
When
Wayne Daniel dissolved RPB in 1982 he started to produce
several M-11 varieties under SWD (Sylvia Williams Daniel,
his wifes name, NOT Sylvia and Wayne Daniel) Incorporated
a year later. At the time the 9MM LUGER cartridge was
becoming increasing popular in the United States so
an attempt was made to produce a M-11 in 9MM LUGER.
This wasn’t the first time this was tried. Past
companies that produced M-11s all experimented with
the M-11 in 9MM LUGER, but like all past experiments,
the small frame M-11 could not take the beating from
the 9MM LUGER round and guns would basically “beat”
them selves apart.
Mr. Daniel found a solution
to this problem by increasing the overall length of
the rear of M-11 by a few inches giving more room for
the bolt to recoil and room for a longer recoil spring
that could effectively absorb the 9MM LUGER’s
energy. It also accepted the new lightweight polymer
Zytel magazine. Unfortunately Zytel magazines didn’t
turn out to be a great idea because these polymer magazines
would wear down over time and split. The majority of
reliability problems reported were because of the Zytel
magazine and not the gun itself.
This new version was
called the M-11/NINE and became the most numerous version
of the M-11 family of weapons.
The SWD M-11/NINE is
chambered in 9MM LUGER & uses Zytel magazines in
several capacities (usually 32 round). Like most M-11s
it has a collapsible stock that extends from the butt
of the weapon, a selector switch to fire either in semi
or full-auto, uses the open bolt method of operation
& the end of the barrel is threaded to accept a
silencer or other barrel accessory. Since the gun is
chambered in 9MM LUGER the receiver was lengthened at
the rear, making this the largest of all M-11s. Compared
to other M-11s, some of the M-11/NINEs are on the “lower
end” in terms of quality compared to other versions
because they were mass-produced and not much was spent
on quality control.
One of the best features
about the M-11/NINE is that there are so many aftermarket
uppers & accessories. These aftermarket uppers &
accessories have brought new life to many of these guns
because you are no longer limited by the M-11s design
faults. A common modification made to the M-11/NINE
is a STEN magazine conversion, which allows the gun
to use cheap all metal STEN magazines that aren’t
prone to failure like the Zytels.
Since the M-11/NINE was
the most numerous version of the M-11 produced it is
the least expensive.
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Receiver
Markings |
Other
Identification Marks |
On right side of receiver:
M-11/NINEmm
SWD INCORPORATED
ATLANTA, GA. U.S.A.
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Cobray logo towards rear of receiver.
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PROS |
Small
Size that Packs a Lot of Firepower
1,200-1,400 RPM puts lots of rounds into target
Good Reliability (with good magazine)
Price (“relatively” inexpensive for a title
II weapon)
Customizable (tons of accesories that can correct shortcommings
& allow you to change the "nature" of the
gun) |
CONS |
Crappy
ergonomics
Useless sights
Worthless stock (that will sometimes collapse while shooting!)
Horrible trigger
1,200-1,400 RPM combined with light weight makes controllability
a problem
Crude Craftsman ship (some parts wear prematurely) |
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Price
Range: |
$3,300-$4,500 |
Caliber: |
9MM LUGER |
ROF: |
1,200-1,400
RPM |
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SWD
SM-11/NINE |
When the BATF
ruled that open-bolt pistols could no longer be produced,
RPB’s successful semi-auto line was ruined. In
an attempt to recapture the semi-auto market Wayne Daniel
developed a closed bolt BATF approved version of the
M-11/NINE & M11-A1 for SWD. The new closed bolt
design had a major draw back in that its operation produced
a painful condition known as “trigger slap”.
“Trigger Slap” occurs when the gun resets
the trigger and transfers this force into the shooters
finger. This can be painful and is usually resolved
on M-11s by encompassing the trigger in a piece of rubber
hose.
These new closed bolt versions of the M-11/NINE
also used the new lightweight polymer Zytel magazines.
Unfortunately Zytel magazines didn’t turn out
to be a great idea because these polymer magazines would
wear down over time and split. The majority of reliability
problems reported were because of the Zytel magazine
and not the gun itself.
The SWD SM-11/NINE is chambered in 9MM LUGER
& uses Zytel magazines in several capacities (usually
32 round). Unlike most M-11s, it does not have a collapsible
stock that extends from the butt of the weapon, nor
the ability to fire full-auto. It also uses a closed
bolt method of operation instead of firing from the
“open bolt”. The end of the barrel is threaded
to accept a silencer or other barrel accessory. Since
the gun is chambered in 9MM LUGER the receiver was lengthened
at the rear the gun is larger then most M-11s. Compared
to other M-11s, some of the SM-11/NINEs are on the “lower
end” in terms of quality compared to other versions
because they were mass-produced and not much was spent
on quality control.
NOTE: A small run of SWD SM-11/NINE pistols
that accepted STEN magazines occurred but there are
not to many of these out there.
Since the SWD SM-11/NINE incorporates several
of the “evil features” its full-auto brethren
has, it is sought after more so then later produced
“castrated models”.
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Receiver
Markings |
Other
Identification Marks |
On right side of receiver:
SM-11/NINEmm
SWD INCORPORATED
ATLANTA, GA. U.S.A.
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Cobray logo towards rear of receiver.
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PROS |
Small Size that
Packs a Lot of Firepower
Good Reliability (with good magazine) |
CONS |
Crappy
ergonomics
Useless sights
Horrible trigger
Large and heavy for a semi-auto pistol
Crude Craftsman ship
Price (expensive for a semi-auto MAC type firearm) |
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Price
Range: |
$400-$600 |
Caliber: |
9MM LUGER |
ROF: |
N/A |
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SWD
SM-12/380 |
When the BATF
ruled that open-bolt pistols could no longer be produced,
RPB’s successful semi-auto line was ruined. In
an attempt to recapture the semi-auto market Wayne Daniel
developed a closed bolt BATF approved version of the
M-11/NINE & M11-A1 for SWD. The new closed bolt
design had a major draw back in that its operation produced
a painful condition known as “trigger slap”.
“Trigger Slap” occurs when the gun resets
the trigger and transfers this force into the shooters
finger. This can be painful and is usually resolved
on M-11s by encompassing the trigger in a piece of rubber
hose.
This new closed bolt versions of the M11-A1
was named the M12/380 in an attempt to distant it self
from the newer M-11/NINE to avoid confusion.
The SWD SM-12/380 is chambered in .380 ACP
& uses steel magazines in several capacities (usually
32 rounds). Unlike most M-11s, it does not have a collapsible
stock that extends from the butt of the weapon, nor
the ability to fire full-auto. It also uses a closed
bolt method of operation instead of firing from the
“open bolt”. The end of the barrel is threaded
to accept a silencer or other barrel accessory. Compared
to other M-11s, some of the SM-12/380s are on the “lower
end” in terms of quality compared to other versions
because they were mass-produced and not much was spent
on quality control.
Since the SWD SM-12/380 incorporates several
of the “evil features” its full-auto brethren
has it is sought after more so then later produced “castrated
models”.
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Receiver
Markings |
Other
Identification Marks |
On right side of receiver:
SM-12/380
SWD INCORPORATED
ATLANTA, GA. U.S.A.
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Cobray logo towards rear of receiver.
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PROS |
Small Size that
Packs a Lot of Firepower
Good Reliability (with good magazine) |
CONS |
Crappy
ergonomics
Useless sights
Horrible trigger
Large and heavy for a semi-auto pistol
Crude Craftsman ship
Price (expensive for a semi-auto MAC type firearm) |
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Price
Range: |
$400-$600 |
Caliber: |
.380 ACP |
ROF: |
N/A |
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LEINAD
/ FMJ PM-11/NINE |
During
the early 1990s a number of politicians blamed intercity
violence on assault rifles & pistols (rather then
the people using them). So in 1994 a number of rifles
and pistols were banned from production by name &
a specific list of features as part of the “Assault
Weapons Ban” in the 1994 Crime Bill. Most weapons
placed on this list were chosen because of their “intimidating”
looks and the M-11 series of guns were on the top of the
list as one of the guns to be banned. Luckily for us,
a sunset clause was added and after 10 years it was determined
the AW ban had no effect on crime and was allowed to sunset
in 2004. During this period though a number of M-11 based
guns were produced to conform to the AW ban and the PM-11/NINE
was one of these “castrated” guns.
When the 1994 crime bill put an end to the
semi SM-11/NINE & SM-12/380 series it removed a
large source of SWD’s primary source of income.
Wayne Daniel then developed a M-11 based pistol that
met the weight and feature requirements of the AW bill.
To do this he had to lighten the pistol so that it wasn’t
over 50 ounces unloaded and remove a number of banned
“evil features”. By eliminating the threaded
barrel and changing the magazine catch design to a “ball
catch” so that the pistol was “encouraged”
to only accept the 10 round magazines provide with the
gun (heavier magazines would fall out from weight and
create reliability problems) he was able to continue
to produce a pistol based on the SM-11/NINE & SM-12/380
series.
During this time period Sylvia and Wayne Daniel
divorced ending SWD. So several offshoot satellite companies
produced the PM-11/NINE & PM-12/380. Specifically
LEINAD (DANIEL backwards) and FMJ (Full Metal Jacket).
.
The PM-11/NINE uses the same closed bolt that
the SM-11/NINE used and shares one of its flaws. This
flaw was that its operation produced a painful condition
known as “trigger slap”. “Trigger
Slap” occurs when the gun resets the trigger and
transfers this force into the shooters finger. This
can be painful and is usually resolved on M-11s by encompassing
the trigger in a piece of rubber hose.
The PM-11/NINE also uses the new lightweight
polymer Zytel magazines. Unfortunately Zytel magazines
didn’t turn out to be a great idea because these
polymer magazines would wear down over time and split.
The majority of reliability problems reported were because
of the Zytel magazine and not the gun itself.
The PM-11/NINE is chambered in 9MM LUGER &
uses Zytel magazines in several capacities (usually
10 round). Unlike most M-11s, it does not have a collapsible
stock that extends from the butt of the weapon, nor
the ability to fire full-auto. It also uses a closed
bolt method of operation instead of firing from the
“open bolt”. The end of the barrel is not
threaded and the magazine latch system has been replaced
with the notorious “ball catch”. Since the
gun is chambered in 9MM LUGER the receiver was lengthened
at the rear the gun is larger then most M-11s. Compared
to other M-11s, some of the PM-11/NINEs are on the "lower
end” in terms of quality compared to other versions
because they were mass-produced and not much was spent
on quality control.
Also one thing to mention is that sometimes
people try to pass off a PM-11/NINE as a “pre-ban”
gun. This is not possible because they were all produced
during the AW ban era. It doesn’t matter much
now anyways, but some people try to “gouge”
the price by claiming it is some that it is not. It
is possible to get rid of the “ball catch”
magazine problem by purchasing an old style lever catch
and replacing it your self.
Since the PM-11/NINE was “castrated”
to confirm with the AW ban it is not as popular as some
of the earlier or current produced M-11s and can be
found for pretty cheap.
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Receiver
Markings |
Other
Identification Marks |
On right side of receiver:
PM-11/NINEmm
FMJ
DUCKTOWN, TN. U.S.A.
Or
PM-11/NINEmm
LEINAD
DUCKTOWN, TN. U.S.A.
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Cobray logo towards rear of receiver.
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PROS |
Small Size that
Packs a Lot of Firepower
Price: Cheap for a M-11 type weapon |
CONS |
Crappy
ergonomics
Useless sights
Painful trigger
Large and heavy for a semi-auto pistol
Crude Craftsman ship
Uses “Ball Catch” magazine retention system |
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Price
Range: |
$200-$400 |
Caliber: |
9MM LUGER |
ROF: |
N/A |
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LEINAD
/ FMJ PM-12/380 |
During
the early 1990s a number of politicians blamed intercity
violence on assault rifles & pistols (rather then
the people using them). So in 1994 a number of rifles
and pistols were banned from production by name &
a specific list of features as part of the “Assault
Weapons Ban” in the 1994 Crime Bill. Most weapons
placed on this list were chosen because of their “intimidating”
looks and the M-11 series of guns were on the top of the
list as one of the guns to be banned. Luckily for us a
sunset clause was added and after 10 years it was determined
the AW ban had no effect on crime and was allowed to sunset
in 2004. During this period though a number of M-11 based
guns were produced to confirm to the AW ban and the PM-12/380
was one of these “castrated” guns.
When the 1994 crime bill put an end to the
semi SM-11/NINE & SM-12/380 series it removed a
large source of SWD’s primary source of income.
Wayne Daniel then developed a M-11 based pistol that
met the weight and feature requirements of the AW bill.
To do this he had to lighten the pistol so that it wasn’t
over 50 ounces unloaded and remove a number of banned
“evil features”. By eliminating the threaded
barrel and changing the magazine catch design to a “ball
catch” so that the pistol was “encouraged”
to only accept the 10 round magazines provide with the
gun (heavier magazines would fall out from weight and
create reliability problems) he was able to continue
to produce a pistol based on the SM-11/NINE & SM-12/380
series.
During this time period Sylvia and Wayne Daniel
divorced ending SWD. So several offshoot satellite companies
produced the PM-11/NINE & PM-12/380. Specifically
LEINAD (DANIEL backwards) and FMJ (Full Metal Jacket).
The PM-12/380 uses the same closed bolt that
the SM-12/380 used and shares one of its flaws. This
flaw was that its operation produced a painful condition
known as “trigger slap”. “Trigger
Slap” occurs when the gun resets the trigger and
transfers this force into the shooters finger. This
can be painful and is usually resolved on M-11s by encompassing
the trigger in a piece of rubber hose.
The PM-12/380 is chambered in .380 ACP &
uses steel magazines in several capacities (usually
10 round). Unlike most M-11s, it does not have a collapsible
stock that extends from the butt of the weapon, nor
the ability to fire full-auto. It also uses a closed
bolt method of operation instead of firing from the
“open bolt”. The end of the barrel is not
threaded and the magazine latch system has been replaced
with the notorious “ball catch”. Compared
to other M-11s, some of the PM-11/NINEs are on the “lower
end” in terms of quality compared to other versions
because they were mass-produced and not much was spent
on quality control.
Also one thing to mention is that sometimes
people try to pass off a PM-11/NINE as a “pre-ban”
gun. This is not possible because they were all produced
during the AW ban era. It doesn’t matter much
now anyways, but some people try to “gouge”
the price by claiming it is some that it is not. It
is possible to get rid of the “ball catch”
magazine problem by purchasing an old style lever catch
and replacing it your self.
Since the PM-11/NINE was “castrated”
to confirm with the AW ban it is not as popular as some
of the earlier or current produced M-11s and can be
found for pretty cheap.
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Receiver
Markings |
Other
Identification Marks |
On right side of receiver:
PM-12/380
FMJ
DUCKTOWN, TN. U.S.A.
Or
PM-12/380
LEINAD
DUCKTOWN, TN. U.S.A.
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Cobray logo towards rear of receiver.
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PROS |
Small Size that
Packs a Lot of Firepower
Price: Cheap for a M-11 type weapon |
CONS |
Crappy
ergonomics
Useless sights
Painful trigger
Large and heavy for a semi-auto pistol
Crude Craftsman ship
Uses “Ball Catch” magazine retention system |
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Price
Range: |
$200-$400 |
Caliber: |
.380 ACP |
ROF: |
N/A |
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LEINAD
CM-11/NINE |
The
CM-11/NINE is the carbine version of the PM-11/NINE. The
CM-11/NINE is basically a PM-11/NINE with a 16-inch barrel
and a stock allowing it to qualify as a rifle.
The CM-11/NINE is officially a rifle and can
be purchased by shooters who cannot own a pistol because
they don’t own a pistol permit (some places require
this) or don’t meet the age requirement.
The CM-11/NINE uses the same closed bolt that
the SM-11/NINE used and shares one of its flaws. This
flaw was that its operation produced a painful condition
known as “trigger slap”. “Trigger
Slap” occurs when the gun resets the trigger and
transfers this force into the shooters finger. This
can be painful and is usually resolved on M-11s by encompassing
the trigger in a piece of rubber hose.
The CM-11/NINE also uses the new lightweight
polymer Zytel magazines. Unfortunately Zytel magazines
didn’t turn out to be a great idea because these
polymer magazines would wear down over time and split.
The majority of reliability problems reported were because
of the Zytel magazine and not the gun itself.
The CM-11/NINE is chambered in 9MM LUGER &
uses Zytel magazines in several capacities (usually
10 round). Unlike most M-11s, it has a fixed stock that
extends from the butt of the weapon and a 16-inch barrel.
It does not have the ability to fire-auto and makes
use of the closed bolt method of operation instead of
firing from the “open bolt”. The end of
the barrel is not threaded and the magazine latch system
has been replaced with the notorious “ball catch”.
Since the gun is chambered in 9MM LUGER the receiver
was lengthened at the rear, making this the largest
of all M-11s. Compared to other M-11s, some of the CM-11/NINEs
are on the “lower end” in terms of quality
compared to other versions because they were mass-produced
and not much was spent on quality control.
Also one thing to mention is that sometimes
people try to pass off a CM-11/NINE as a pistol or “pre-ban”
gun. If the gun says “CM” it is the carbine
version and was produced as a rifle and cannot be converted
into a pistol (unless you do the paperwork). It is also
not a “pre-ban” gun because they were all
produced during the AW ban era. It doesn’t matter
much now any ways, but some people try to “gouge”
the price by claiming it is some that it is not. It
is possible to get rid of the “ball catch”
magazine problem by purchasing an old style lever catch
and replacing it your self.
Since the CM-11/NINE was “castrated”
to confirm with the AW ban it is not as popular as some
of the earlier or current produced M-11s.
|
Receiver
Markings |
Other
Identification Marks |
On right side of receiver:
CM-11/NINEmm
LEINAD
DUCKTOWN, TN. U.S.A.
|
Cobray logo towards rear of receiver.
|
PROS |
Small Size that
Packs a Lot of Firepower
Price: Cheap for a M-11 type weapon |
CONS |
Crappy
ergonomics
Useless sights
Painful trigger
Large and heavy for a semi-auto pistol
Crude Craftsman ship
Uses “Ball Catch” magazine retention system |
|
Price
Range: |
$350-$450 |
Caliber: |
9MM LUGER |
ROF: |
N/A |
|
|
|
LEINAD
TM-11/NINE |
The TM-11/NINE
is the carbine version of the PM-11/NINE dressed up
to look like a Thompson. The TM-11/NINE is basically
a PM-11/NINE with a 16-inch barrel and a butt stock
allowing it to qualify as a rifle.
The TM-11/NINE is officially a rifle and can
be purchased by shooters who cannot own a pistol because
they don’t own a pistol permit (some places require
this) or don’t meet the age requirement.
The TM-11/NINE is different from the CM-11/NINE
because it has a finned barrel with a forward grip stock
that resembles the Thompson submachine gun.
The TM-11/NINE uses the same closed bolt that
the SM-11/NINE used and shares one of its flaws. This
flaw was that its operation produced a painful condition
known as “trigger slap”. “Trigger
Slap” occurs when the gun resets the trigger and
transfers this force into the shooters finger. This
can be painful and is usually resolved on M-11s by encompassing
the trigger in a piece of rubber hose.
The TM-11/NINE also uses the new lightweight
polymer Zytel magazines. Unfortunately Zytel magazines
didn’t turn out to be a great idea because these
polymer magazines would wear down over time and split.
The majority of reliability problems reported were because
of the Zytel magazine and not the gun itself.
The TM-11/NINE is chambered in 9MM LUGER &
uses Zytel magazines in several capacities (usually
10 round). Unlike most M-11s, it has a fixed stock that
extends from the butt of the weapon and a finned 16-inch
barrel with a Thompson style front grip. It does not
have the ability to fire-auto and makes use of the closed
bolt method of operation instead of firing from the
“open bolt”. The end of the barrel is not
threaded and the magazine latch system has been replaced
with the notorious “ball catch”. Since the
gun is chambered in 9MM LUGER the receiver was lengthened
at the rear, making this the largest of all M-11s. Compared
to other M-11s, some of the TM-11/NINEs are on the “lower
end” in terms of quality compared to other versions
because they were mass-produced and not much was spent
on quality control.
Also one thing to mention is that sometimes
people try to pass off a TM-11/NINE as a pistol or “pre-ban”
gun. If the gun says “TM” it is the carbine
version and was produced as a rifle and cannot be converted
into a pistol (unless you do the paperwork). It is also
not a “pre-ban” gun because they were all
produced during the AW ban era. It doesn’t matter
much now any ways, but some people try to “gouge”
the price by claiming it is some that it is not. It
is possible to get rid of the “ball catch”
magazine problem by purchasing an old style lever catch
and replacing it your self.
Since the TM-11/NINE was “castrated”
to confirm with the AW ban it is not as popular as some
of the earlier or current produced M-11s.
|
Receiver
Markings |
Other
Identification Marks |
On right side of receiver:
TM-11/NINEmm
LEINAD
DUCKTOWN, TN. U.S.A.
|
Cobray logo towards rear of receiver
|
PROS |
Small Size that
Packs a Lot of Firepower
Price: Cheap for a M-11 type weapon |
CONS |
Crappy
ergonomics
Useless sights
Painful trigger
Large and heavy for a semi-auto pistol
Crude Craftsman ship Uses “Ball Catch” magazine
retention system |
|
Price
Range: |
$350-$450 |
Caliber: |
9MM LUGER |
ROF: |
N/A |
|
|
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MPA-30 amd CFT LLC |
With the sunset
of the AW ban in 2004 semi-auto versions of the M-11
could once be produced with some of the “evil
features” that were previously banned.
Master Piece Arms has taken this one step further
and not only makes a SM-11/NINE type of M-11 with the
“evil features”, but has also improved the
design.
MPA has all but eliminated the trigger slap
and other quality control issue other semi-auto M-11s
were known for. They even replaced the Zytel magazine
with the reliable STEN magazine that most SWD M-11/NINE
owners had switched to long ago.
MPA offers a number of different versions of
the MPA-30 with different uppers and configurations
(far to many to be listed here). Surprisingly the MPA-30
is distributed by the "new" RPB.
The MPA-30 is chambered in 9MM LUGER &
uses STEN magazines in several capacities (usually 32
round). Unlike most M-11s, it does not have a collapsible
stock that extends from the butt of the weapon, nor
the ability to fire full-auto. It also uses a closed
bolt method of operation instead of firing from the
“open bolt”. The end of the barrel is threaded
to accept a silencer or other barrel accessory. Since
the gun is chambered in 9MM LUGER the receiver was lengthened
at the rear producing a gun that is larger then most
M-11s. Compared to other M-11s, MPA-30 is of high quality
compared to other semi-auto versions of the M-11.
Since the MPA-30 incorporates several of the
“evil features” its full-auto brethren has,
and can be purchased in several configurations, it is
sought after more so then AW ban “castrated models”.
Much later, in 2014, a company called
and CFT LLC (Cobray Firearms of Tennessee), run by Sylvia Daniel's son
Richard Shane Arrington, started making M11/9 semi auto guns.
|
Receiver
Markings |
Other
Identification Marks |
On right side of receiver:
???????
Or
M-11/NINEmm
CFT LLC
DUCKTOWN, TN
|
|
PROS |
Small
Size that Packs a Lot of Firepower
Price: Cheap for a M-11 type weapon
Good Quality for a M-11 type weapon
|
CONS |
Crappy
ergonomics
Useless sights
Large and heavy for a semi-auto pistol |
|
Price
Range: |
$350-$450 |
Caliber: |
9MM LUGER |
ROF: |
N/A |
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